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Outside:Inside Radio Episodes

Season 1, Episode 1: Fiber Artist Carole Alden

Carole Alden is a self-taught fiber artist that focuses on translating her life experiences into larger-than-life mixed media sculptures. She is currently living and working in Utah, and plans to travel the country teaching art to victims of domestic violence.

Season 1, Episode 2: Tattoo and Graffiti Artist Damien Aguilar 

Damien Aguilar is a painter who started as a graffiti artist in California’s Inland Empire. Damien learned the art of tattooing and now owns his own tattoo shop. His works on canvas have been featured in a recent music video by Canadian R&B pop artist Massari.

Season 1, Episode 3: Poet and Activist Wendy Staggs

Wendy Staggs is a poet and activist who turned her early experimentation with visual mediums into a lifelong commitment,  advocating for the power of the arts in the lives of people affected by incarceration.

Season 1, Episode 4: Photorealistic Painter Ezequiel Gonzalez

Ezequiel Gonzalez is a photorealistic painter currently living in Mexico and curating shows in Southern California. He teaches art classes and collaborates with current and former students, maintaining a constant dialogue between artistic peers.

Season 1, Episode 5: Author, Creator, Choreographer, and Wordsmith Ernst Fenelon Jr.

A conversation with Ernst Fenelon Jr., author of "Three Things Everybody Wants to Know About You: Five Step Plan for Live Success" and co-creator of the theatrical movement documentary "Angee's Journey", the story of a mother's 800-mile journey to visit her son in prison.

Season 1, Episode 6: Pen and Ink Artist Rene Rodriguez

Rene Rodriguez is a pen and ink artist looking to help other people use art and creativity to break free from negative thinking.

Meet The PAC - Annie Buckley Founder and Director of Prison Arts Collective

A conversation between our new host, Ella Turenne, and the founder of Prison Arts Collective, Professor Annie Buckley. This is the story of how PAC grew from a single art class into an organization that brings the transformative power of the arts to hundreds of students in correctional facilities across California.

Meet The PAC - Teaching Team Members Heather Roessler and Mark Taylor

A conversation with two of PAC's long term contributors: artist, Heather Roessler and writer, Mark Taylor talk about how they use their skills to bring the healing power of the arts to our participants on the inside.

Season 2, Episode 1: Painter Marisa DeLuca

Marisa DeLuca's highly personal work deals with themes of temporality and loss, boundaries and the body, and draws inspiration from art history and the changing world around us.

Season 2, Episode 2: Surrealist Tara Dunbar

Missouri artist, Tara Dunbar shares her experience using art for contemplation, community, and healing.

Season 2, Episode 3: Lyricist Douglas Jessop

Musician, writer, and social justice advocate Douglas Jessop joins us to talk about how he uses his work for self-expression and self-knowledge, as well as a way to process, heal from, and ultimately affect change and growth in the world around him. He also performs an original work.

Season 2, Episode 4: Musician and Founder of The Worthy Movement Rob Woods

We're joined by Rob Woods, a songwriter and musician whose original song Worthy (which you'll hear at the end of this episode) inspired his mission to bring free haircuts and meals to the residents of LA's Skid Row, and making sure that everyone he meets knows their own worth.

Season 2, Episode 5: Author Judith Favor

Writer, former pastor, and practicing Quaker, Judith Favor tells us about her experience befriending Rosie, a woman on death row whose friendship became the inspiration for Favor's latest book.

Season 2, Episode 6: Storyteller Joanne DeCaro

Visual storyteller Joanne DeCaro tells us about her work collecting and archiving stories from people impacted by COVID-19 while experiencing incarceration.  Along with a coalition of fellow students and professors, she has spent the last year building the PrisonPandemic database at University of California Irvine, hoping to preserve history in the voices of those who have experienced it first-hand.

Meet The PAC - Co-hosts Ella Turenne and Kathie Foley-Meyer

Co-hosts Ella Turenne and Kathie Foley-Meyer talk about how their artistic journeys led them to Outside:Inside Radio, and what it means to create in carceral spaces.

Season 3, Episode 1: Musician and Sound Designer Eric "Maserati-E" Abercrombie 

Musician and sound designer Eric Abercrombie, AKA Maserati-E, talks to us about creativity as community building within carceral spaces, and shares some of his original music. While serving time in San Quentin, Eric helped produce films with First Watch, a project dedicated to exploring the truth about life on the inside. Eric is currently the sound designer for the podcast Uncuffed.

Season 3, Episode 2: Author Belle Phelan

Author Belle Phelan tells us about how her involvement in programming during her incarceration helped her find her love and talent for writing, and became a way for her to make a living helping others and doing what she loves now that she's on the outside.

Season 3, Episode 3: Rapper Milagro Jones

Rapper Milagro Jones tells us about how growing up without stable housing influenced not only his artmaking, but also his choice to become involved in bringing visibility to his community through his voice and his talent.

Season 3, Episode 4: Ceramics Artist and Executive Director of The William James Association Laurie Brooks

Laurie Brooks of the William James Association shares a bit about the history of arts in corrections, a field she's been working in since the 1980s and has reflected the tumultuous changes in policies and perceptions around incarceration that have been happening in California ever since.

Season 3, Episode 5: Musician Chris Lamoreaux

Musician Chris Lamoreaux talks with us about how reconnecting with his indigenous heritage and having access to a guitar while he did time helped him find his voice. Today, Chris uses music and storytelling to inspire others to seek remedies to injustice, as well as to advocate for people struggling with mental health conditions and substance misuse disorder.

Season 3, Episode 6: Author Jesse Bliss

Jesse Bliss talks to us about the Roots and Wings project and the reasons behind creating the book "I Love Myself Golden," both of which are projects created to help individuals acknowledge and overcome effects of violence and the carceral system.

Meet the PAC - Co-hosts Ella Turenne, Kathie Foley-Meyer 

Co-hosts Ella Turenne and Kathie Foley-Meyer reflect on the podcast’s journey and introduce the new addition of having creative prompts that listeners can engage with this upcoming season. (Music by PureDesignGirl)

Season 4, Episode 1: Writer and Executive Director Jimmy Wu

Jimmy Wu is a writer and the Executive Director at InsideOUT Writers (IOW) in Los Angeles, California. Jimmy shares his experience with incarceration, how creative writing can help people, and about how IOW offers support for young people who are experiencing life during or after incarceration. (Music by PureDesignGirl)

Season 4, Episode 2: Executive Director of AHJN Elida Ledesma

Elida Ledesma is the Executive Director of the Arts for Healing and Justice Network (AHJN). Elida talks about her experience as the Executive Director and AHJN’s journey in providing art programs as a way of healing for young people affected by the juvenile justice system. (Music by PureDesignGirl)

Season 4, Episode 3: Brother in Pen

Creative writers from Brothers in Pen, Zoe Mullery, Watani Stiner, and Troy Williams talk about their experience with writing stories and how their writing group has helped them gain meaningful insights as activists, creative individuals, and as a community. (Music by PureDesignGirl)

Season 4, Episode 4: Artist Preston Smith

Artist Preston Smith shares his experience with his creative process, podcast, and insights about how to mindfully navigate art as a sustainable career as culture, technology, and time move forward. (Music by PureDesignGirl)

Season 4, Episode 5: Hausmann Quartet

Two of the members from the Hausmann Quartet, violinist Isaac Allen and cellist Alex Greenbaum, talk about how their string quartet came to be, and how music inspires them as musicians and as a non-profit organization. (Music by PureDesignGirl)

Season 4, Episode 6: Actor Joey Cramer

Actor Joey Cramer talks about his personal and artistic journey from his role in the film Flight the Navigator to his present endeavors and how his experiences have inspired him to continue being creative. (Music by PureDesignGirl)

Season 5 - Episode 1: Tribute to Ella Turenne

Host, Kathie Foley-Myer, and the Founder of Prison Arts Collective, Annie Buckley, come together to celebrate our beloved co-host, Ella Turenne, who unexpectedly passed away in December. Ella's close friends and colleagues, Lori Pompa, the Founder and Executive Director of Inside-Out Center; Charlot Lucien, a Hatian storyteller and artist; Dr. Bridget Cooks, a professor in the Department of African American Studies and the Department of Art History at the University of California, Irvine; and Jimmy Wu, the Executive Director at InsideOUT Writers, share their memorable stories about Ella and reflect on her impactful achievements. 


Season 5 - Episode 2: Director of Storytelling, Cheryl Bonacci

Cheryl Bonacci, the Director of Storytelling for the Civil Rights Corps, talks about her experience working with the youth and how storytelling helps bring to light the people and communities affected by the justice system.


Season 5 - Episode 3: Artist, Writer, and PAC Alumni, Dominique Tanks

Artist, writer, PAC alumni, Dominique Tanks, talks about how his experience with creative writing and visual art has helped cultivate a relationship with the people inside.


Season 5 - Episode 4: Actor, Writer Patrick Keating

Actor, writer, Patrick Keating, shares his story about his journey from Québec, Canada to Vancouver, Canada. He was transformed through theater, writing, and his solo performance called “Inside/Out: A Prison Memoir."


Season 5 - Episode 5: Photographer Peter Merts

Photographer and Prison Arts Collective Board Member, Peter Merts, talks about his journey with how he got started with photography from an early age to how his photography transformed into capturing intimate moments inside institutions for arts and corrections.


Season 5 - Episode 6: TheatreWorkers Project Founder/Director, Susie Tanner and Lead Teaching Artist, James MacDonald

Founder/Director of TheatreWorkers Project, Susie Tanner and Actor, Writer, Director, and one of the Lead Teaching Artists at the TheatreWorkers Project, James MacDonald, talk about their work with the TheatreWorkers Project and reflect on moving experiences from working with their participants.


Season 6 - Episode 1: Artist and Educator Vin Ryan

Vin is an artist based in Australia who facilitates art programs for Indigenous students at Ravenhall and Port Phillip Prisons in Melbourne. Vin discusses his work as an artist and as a teacher and the reasons for his current visit to the United States to work with the Prison Arts Collective.

Season 6 - Episode 2: Artist, Writer, and Program Coordinator John Rodriguez

John Rodriguez is a formerly incarcerated writer who now works coordinating arts in corrections programming for PAC. John discusses his creative journey, including those who have influenced him as a writer and artist, and what his life is like now, post pandemic.

Season 6 - Episode 3: Writer and Artist Michele Scott

Michele Scott is a writer and artist who was a student in PAC’s first teaching cohort. She was recently released from prison and is the author of “I’m Trapped in a Women’s Prison During a Pandemic,” recently published in Elle. She discusses her life and art on the inside and outside, and how her creativity sustains her.

Season 6 - Episode 4: Visual Artist Alberto "Berto" Lule

Alberto Lule, “Berto” to his friends and colleagues, is a visual artist and MFA student at UC Irvine. He discusses his journey to becoming an artist and what motivates him to keep creating.

Season 6 - Episode 5: Educator, Lawyer, and Creative Amir Whitaker

Amir Whitaker is the Senior Policy Counsel for the ACLU, the founder of Project Knucklehead, and a creative. He discusses his journey from his encounters with the criminal justice system to founding his nonprofit and becoming a teaching artist. You can find more of Amir's work at

Season 6 - Episode 6: People's Pottery Project - Co-founders and Directors Ilka & Domonique Perkins and Artist Regina Merceron

Ilka and Domonique Perkins, the Co-founders and Directors of People’s Pottery Project, and Regina Merceron, an artist and student of People’s Pottery Project, discuss their journey with art, ceramics, incarceration, and their mission to empower formerly incarcerated women, trans and non-binary people through their non-profit ceramic business, the People’s Pottery Project.

Season 6 - Episode 7: Artist, Professor and Director Emily Silver

Emily Silver is an Artist, Art Professor, and Director of Pete & Susan Barrett Art Gallery at Santa Monica College. Emily discusses her experience with the Prison Arts Collective alumni panel workshop and the importance of creating an inclusive space for artists through education and collaborative effort with students in gallery spaces.

Season 6 -Episode 8: Meetra Johansen

Meetra Johansen is the co-founder of Huma House, a non-profit contemporary art initiative dedicated to representing artists that are driven to create a positive change in their community and partner with high impact organizations that are motivated by social justice. Meetra shares how to maintain the balance of art as commerce and healing and the experience of the youth-centered and community garden program at Huma House.

Season 7 - Episode 1: Caits Meissner & Spoon Jackson

Director of Prison and Justice Writing at PEN America and Multidisciplinary Creator, Caits Meissner, and Writer and Radio Producer on Uncuffed Stories from Solano State Prison, Spoon Jackson, introduces the book PEN America: The Sentences That Create Us. Caits and Spoon discuss how and why the book was created and art-making and collaboration through the walls.

Season 7 - Episode 2: Poets Luis J. Rodriguez & Louise Wakaai'gan

Poet Louise Wakaai'gan and Author and poet Luis J. Rodriquez discuss the process of creating poetry organically and authentically drawing from life, memory and identity. They discuss how to find your voice in a society that de-voices the perspectives of marginalized people while navigating through the storms of life.

Season 7 - Episode 3: Authors Curtis Dawkins & Ryan Gattis

Authors Curtis Dawkins and Ryan Gattis Discuss their process and perspectives on fiction. Dawkins discusses how to evaluate your own work,finding courage and freedom through writing as well as an inside look at how to publish a book from prison. Gattis shares his approach to world building and character creation. Gattis also talks about his approach while teaching writing courses in prison and the transformative effect it can have on students.

Season 7 - Episode 4: Journalists John J. Lennon & Shaheen Pasha

Journalists John J. Lennon and Shaheen Pasha discuss the journalistic process from inside Prison and the opportunities that are offered to these writers, John and Pasha also discuss the ethical responsibilities of a journalist in their journey to present their findings to the reader.

Season 7 - Episode 5: Writers Raquel Almazan & Alejo Rodriguez

Writers Raquel Almanaz and Alejo Rodriguez discuss the benefits and new perspectives that writing can bring by using writing exercises for self advocacy. Raquel and Alejo give their experience and advice for writing in the context of internal change as well as structural change in the legal system.

Season 7 - Episode 6: Author Piper Kerman

Piper Kerman, author of the memoir Orange is the New Black discusses the process of writing a first person narrative. She introduces the idea of regaining authorship of your own story by the process of selection and reflection of life events. Kerman discusses the process of including love and recognition in the stories that tend to revolve around trauma and pain such as those in the prison memoir. Kerman explains the role that revision and reflection have in molding the peaks and valleys of life into a narrative full of truth and healing.

Season 7 - Episode 7: Writers and Educators Zeke Caligiuri & Jen Bowen

Zeke Caligiuri Author of the Memoir “This Is Where I Am” and co-founder of Minnesota Prison Writing Workshop Jen Bowen shed light on the process of creating writing communities behind bars. Zeke Caligiuri speaks about the challenges that writing programs face inside prison and the benefits of self determination in the writing groups inside. Jen Bowen speaks about the empowerment that comes from writing from memory as well as her experiences as an art instructor working inside prisons.

Season 7 - Episode 8: Professor Randall Horton

Author and associate professor Randall Horton shares his introduction into poetry and writing. Horton describes the ability of language to bring the experience of others to life. He discusses the benefit that writing communities have on the lives of students both inside and outside of prison, as well as how he utilizes things he learned inside in the classes he teaches today.

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